Heym offers the rifle in different variants and all variants can be ordered as left-hand version. Then there are a few European firms that traditionally loaded ammo for the nasties of Africa. Thats 92 ft-lbs of equal and opposite reaction from an 11-pound firearm! If the placement is not right with either neither will the result be. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. If you find a PH who makes such instant, and largely invalid, assumptions about his client from the rifle that he has chosen, you might rightly assume that his experience, if any, was based on other such questionable observations. Modern steel has resulted in a more potent, modern load: a 400-grain bullet at 2,350 fps, putting todays .404 Jeffery in the same league as the .416s. Good article but maybe a little to focused on older classic rounds. Learn how your comment data is processed. An elephant wont be concerned about anything more than the fact that a bullet has passed through his/her brain. Not surprisingly, as it uses heavy bullets with a moderate velocity resulting in a well-controlled expansion and a very good penetration - the time proven recipe of an efficient killer. Theres no word on pressure but I suspect its right up there with any modern rifle cartridge designed for Africas grumpiest! This has become my personal favorite of the lot. I used this excellent cartridge for a handsome Cape buffalo in Mozambique. The reasons have been amply supplied in previous blogs. 404 Jeffery 1909, the era of African safaris was in full swing. The casebeing cut downdidn't have the capacity to get those big bullets moving at the advertised speed. Description: SAKO Safari A IV .338 Win Mag. Mag. . John Rigby & Co. released their proprietary big game cartridge in 1911, and it gained much favor among those who used it extensively. In reviewing Swift bullet manual I see that if both the 404 & 458 are loaded with 400 grain bullets, the velocities are very similar. And my rifle cartridges, like myself, have become older & slower!marvquillen@aol.com. Both kill very well, both have proven to be very accurate (I have sub-MOA loads for both) and both are wonderfully nostalgic. Selbys .470 double rifle had been accidently run over and damaged, and the only suitable rifle he could find in Nairobi was a dirty, rusty-looking .416 Rigby. Though there were so few produced, the reputation of the .416 Rigby inspired writers like Jack OConnor, who also sang its praises. When a client shows up with a double rifle, you know you have an elitist for a customer, much like the guy coming down the charter boat dock at the marina carrying a fly rod, and you approach him with caution. Mag. Should you try and handload your safari ammunition, youll find that there are only a handful of powders that will give you good velocity without having to be heavily compressed. You must log in or register to reply here. Launching a 300-grain, .411-inch-diameter bullet at 2,200 fps for slightly more than 3,200 ft-lb of muzzle energy, the .405 Winchester is definitely light, especially in comparison to the .375 H&H with heavy bullets. The sectional density (SD) of the 300gr was about the same as a 350gr in .458, at .239 SD compared to .238 SD in .458. As a handloader, I can use the Lott in a couple of ways. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The .416 Rigby is a flat-shooter, yet it hits like a freight train. Get a closer look at the Davidson's Weatherby Vanguard Cipher, the latest addition to our #SundayGunday series. I feel it was too light by 2 lbs and kicked like mule. Kenyan professional hunter Harry Selby procured a Rigby rifle in .416 Rigby when his .470 double was accidentally run over, and Robert Ruarks Horn of the Hunter made both the man and cartridge famous. I normally use solids but have used softs and both do the job well. For a sportsman who travels the world, the .375 H&H Magnum is a solid investment, one he or she can use for bears in America or buffalo in Southern Africa. 1968: M77 is introduced. Yes, ballistics for particular purposes is important, but only one factor among ten. Ballistics expert Keith Luckhurst ran some trajectory tests comparing a .404 Jeffery loaded with 400-grain bullets at 2280 fps, a .458 Winchester Magnum loaded with 500-grain bullets at 2090 fps, and a .375 H&H leaded with 300-grain bullets at 2550 fps, all sighted in at 100 meters. The case volume is a direct result of the volatility of cordite in the African and Indian heat in order to keep pressures low. for 4,020 ft.-lbs. When a client shows up with a .416 Rigby, you know you have someone who has studied and respects the rich history and traditions of the sport of dangerous-game hunting. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Given the option I'd take the .404 over the .458, any day. The CZ 600 Trail proved to be a handy rifle that can down game in hard-to-find places, all without alerting everything with fur that you have moved into the woods. The .404 Jeffery uses a 400-grain bullet of .423-inch diameter, with the original load leaving the muzzle at 2,150 fps and modern loads ramping up that figure to 2,350 fps. Just dont go on the forums boasting on its superiority over the .458 Win Mag, cause it just aint so! Total:2,175 (members:354, guests:1,821), https://cuttingedgebullets.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=D458, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=D423, 458 Win Mag comparison to its peers-375,416,404. The .416 Rigby and .416 Remington are the most popular, followed by the .404 Jeffery. And then there's the .404 Jeffery, a superb dangerous-game round. .458 Win Mag rounds (introduced in the 1950s and based off the .375 H&H) compared to a cigarette. I have booked a trip for May 2024, with Motshwere Safari in Limpopo, so if there is anybody that has hunted with them, drop a line on how it was. The bolt action features a three-position safety on the lock and a classic stock magazine with a hinged cover. The game rangers of Tanzania, Kenya, and North and South Rhodesia were issued .404 Jeffery bolt-action rifles for game control work. 1 single-shot, with ammunition produced by Hornady. Want to pursue the heavyweights? 2 will gain ground over the next decade. At 2050 fps from a 25 barrel the psi stands at 62,740 well within safety factors. Popular in the Krieghoff doubles, the .500-416s popularity has waned as of late; and, with the introduction of the .416 Rigby No. Everyone should own one at least once. 38-55 Winchester.375 Ultra Mag..375-.338 Win. Email When Available 458 LOTT: 500 [+] Close . Using a .410-inch bullet, the classic .450-400 3-inch load consisted of a 400-grain bullet at 2,050 fps for 3,732 ft-lb of energy. Like everyone, WDM Bell was a product of his times and to hunt the dangerous big game of Africa with such light caliber rifles would be illegal today. Winchester The .458 Win. 6.5 mm Caliber. This fact, along with the many different versions made, makes the No. Its recoil, while higher than that of the .375 H&H, is manageable in a well-fitting rifle. Bearing marked similarities to the earlier .350 Rigby Magnumthey share the same 45-degree shoulderthe .416 Rigby used a unique bore diameter and a case large enough to prevent extraction problems in the heat of Africa and India. So which are the best dangerous game cartridges of all time? Lets take a look at some of those cartridges that fit the bill. In addition if I remember correctly the NRA had an independent test run on the velocities of the 458 Win in 1956 which verified the original 2150fps ballistics with 510 gr bullets with the original 25 bbl. Placement of the projectile is quite important, really more so than its size unless its a fragmentation grenade. The granddaddy of bolt-action big-game calibers is the .458 Win. "A buffalo could probably be taken with a well placed frozen herring but, the question is: "What's the point"?" Some feel that the initial loadings of the .404 Jeffery the 400-grain/2150 fps comboare a bit anemic, but for over a century it has worked and worked well. And then there are those who feel that anything smaller than the .500 Jeffery or .500 Nitro Express is a waste of time, because no smaller cartridge could possibly stop a charge. Couple that with the huge frontal diameter (.505-inch) and youve got an elephant stopper that isnt all that terrible on the shoulder. In my hunting world Ive discovered that larger-diameter, well-constructed bullets work better. K.E. Of course, no cartridge-rifle combo (based on our set of criteria) can achieve a perfect score. Adding at least 5% to the performance of the 375 H&H, which most professional African hunters consider to be the absolute minimum for dangerous game, is a significant enough enhancement to warrant replacing the venerable old 375 H&H on the list; likewise the 416 Ruger ought to replace the 416 Rem Mag and 416 Rigby for similar reasons. of energy. There have been many designs over the years. Thats my view from here and its hard to argue with reality. The John Rigby design from 1898 uses a 480-grain bullet at 2,150 fps for just under 5,000 ft.-lbs. 1 single-shot rifle for it. They provide adequate velocity, reasonable trajectories, and great killing power for their intended classes of game. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. For those hunters who want to approach the energy figures of the .45-calibers, but who still want a trajectory that can make the longer shots, the Rigby is a good choice. Stopping power with its usually intended meaning is a myth. Starting with the elder of the two, the .404 Jeffery came onto the scene in either 1906 or 1907 (this date has been the topic of debate, but my friend Phil Shoemaker has a certified 1907 .404 Jeffery rifle), and was designed to be a rimless variant of the .450/400 Nitro Express, also known as the .400 Jeffery. A 500 grain .458 bullet at 2,040 feet per second is still an extremely potent load and is quite effective on the whole range of thick skinned dangerous game in Africa. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. Of course, I am 65 and weigh 280 lbs, but my 58 160 son in law can shoot a box of those rounds in that gun just as well with no ill effects. Email When Available 470 NE: 500 Email When Available 505 GIBBS: 570 Email When Available 500 NE: 570 Email When Available 500 JEFFERY . in Winchester's Model 70 Safari Express is one of the better values in a dangerous game rifle. Well, assuming that the .404 Jeff actually achieved those numbers2600 fps from a 300gr, then my CZ should be a super performer on plains game, launching the 350 TSX at 2750 fps! The point of the PH's comment was to generalize, and I think he got it right. It was a great rifle to use.I sold it very reluctantly to an Australian buyer when gun laws in India limited ownership of guns to only three weapons. / .38-72 / .405 Win / .375 Ruger / .400 Nitro Exp./ .404 Jeffery. 2, I expect that trend to continue. You are using an out of date browser. Mag. That affinity might also include the 9.3s (.366), except I find little motiveso farto select one over .358 or .375. Ill spare you that endurance test! When an African Professional Hunter tells you a .375 H&H is all you need, he means it; itll take any game animal on earth. To date, weve had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE. In its Nitro loading, a 400grain jacketed bullet was launched at 2150fps. Hunting dangerous game requires a rifle cartridge larger than most of us use regularly, one with the ability to save your bacon and to end a confrontation quickly and without anyone getting hurt. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. Yes, the .various .450s , .470s, .475 and their clones work great. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Maybe even more important the moderate velocity makes the . The design is certainly sound: In both factory ammunition and handloaded stuff, Ive seen nothing but good results from the .416 Ruger. The old .40-caliber cartridge (released in 1902) was used by Jim Corbett for tiger and leopards in India, as did John Pondoro Taylor in Africa. This proprietary cartridge duplicates the performance of the .404 Jeffery. Thus, thye standard magnum actions (such as 300, 338, 7mm or even 458) should work. In its blackpowder guise this threw a 325grain lead bullet at 1900fps. Both will kill animals effectively. Based on my research, the 404 is a standard magnum action. One of the very first hunting cartridges to be converted to smokeless powder was the popular .450/400 Magnum Express (31/4"). Remington model 700 PCR 5L in 308 Winchester. You have entered an incorrect email address! Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. It is accurate, as hard-hitting as the Rigby, and the recoil is noticeably less than the Rigby case. vs. .300 Win. With all due respect to the classics, I think there are better cartridges out there now that are more suitable and will outperform most of those listed. Starting with the least potent of the lot, the .405 Winchester is a straight-walled cartridge released in the Model 1895 Winchester lever-action rifle. The big Gibbs case will need 130 to 145 grains of powder to push those huge bullets, and it pushes the big 570- and 600-grain slugs to 2,100 fps, for just under 5,900 ft.-lbs. The example was made in terms of different bullet weights and comparing the 458WM to the 404 Jeff. Save my name and email to use for future comments. And although the volume of the .40-caliber's case is more than is probably needed with our modern powders, the pressures are lowand that isnt a bad thing. While it doesnt feed very well in a bolt-action rifle, there are many double rifles available in this chambering, and Ruger chambers its fantastic No. My next ( and last ) will be a .404 Jeffery. The Jeffery case and. I think the .458 would be best served with a premium 465- or 480-grain bullet to give a bit of room in the case. Maybe thats giving too much credit I dunno. An insurgence in India resulted in the British Empire banning all .45-caliber ammunition in the early 1900s, so as a result, gun makers needed to replicate the ballistics of the dangerous-game-proven .450 Nitro Express, yet in a different bore diameter. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." Im going to Alaska in Sept. for bear, and am taking both my .416 Ruger (scoped) and my G&H custom BA in .35 Whelen.. Save my name and email to use for future comments. However, the .416 Taylor (developed in the 1970s by Bob Chatfield-Taylor) will come close to the Rigby benchmark, driving a 400-grain bullet to 2,350 fps. But it does get an ill-proportioned amount of chatter on at least one forum. Modern bullets have made this .40-caliber even better. Thats one in 1000! This modern rimmed case from Krieghoff uses a 3-inch case to push a 400-grain, .416-inch bullet to 2,300 fps and makes a solid choice for a hunter who wants a double-rifle in .40-caliber. Now offered at an even lower price! Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. For me, enough is enough! And, Ive found theres a definite ramp-up in recoil when you go to the 500-grain, .45-caliber cartridges, which run at 2,150 fps and upward. While its a unique cartridge, the .425 isnt incredibly popular, and Kynoch is the only ammunition provider when this ammo is available. 2, a rimmed version of the classic .416 Rigby thats built for double-rifles. Whether setting sights on a distant trophy or ringing steel out to 4000 yards, the Vortex Razor HD 4000 GB ballistic laser rangefinder delivers all the range, ballistic, and environmental data needed for confident accuracy. Mag. The .404 was born in London by the Jeffery firm in about 1910. As is typical, there are exceptions to every rule, nevertheless the rule holds true.As for the .404 Jeffrey, she's a gem, no doubt about it! The next step was then a logical choice! Heres the crop of the lower .40-caliber cartridges, including their strengths and weaknesses. So, the somewhat demeaned (by the armchair Xsperts) .458 Win Mag can more than hold its own against the old-timer .404 Jeffery. And, in comparison to the .375s and 9.3mms, the bullet weight (along with correlative energy) of these lower .40s makes a definite difference when it comes to penetration. The 404 Jeff is a much better African hunting calibre than the 458 Win would ever be. Mag..375 H&H.375 Whelan Imp..378 Weatherby.375-.404 Express.404 Jeffery.405 Winchester.416-.284.416 Taylor.416 Rem. I am not a man who is really into velocity and energy figures. Among the diverse selection of Nitro Express cartridges that came along to replace the .450 NEthe .475 NE, the .475 No. The classic cartridgesthose that made their reputations before World War II during the golden age of the safariall used a bullet with a sectional density greater than 0.300. To this point, only one has achieved that number and, somewhat predictably, that turns out to be the .458 Win Mag (in my CZ 550) with a total score of 74. And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! So we ARE comparing two brands of apples here sort of. In 1911, Londons John Rigby & Co. released what would become one of their most famous proprietary cartridges: the .416 Rigby. Based on the belted .375 H&H case, using an 8-degree shoulder and the .411-inch-diameter bullets of the .450-400, the .400 H&H hasnt really caught on. Availability of ammo is not a factor in this comparison as most dangerous game cartridges are not ones you will find stocked in most any gun store either. . Secondly, and because Im all about flexibility, I can very easily load the Lott down to the original .458 Winchester ballistics. Now, for some explanations before I get too many yes buts: The 450gr is available from Woodleigh for the .404J. What is it about the .404 Jeffery that revitalizes the passion of about .1% of rifle enthusiasts? Secondly, most of the factory loads are using a 500-grain pill and are struggling to get the velocity without generating really high pressures. Although fewer than 200 rifles were made up until World War II, the writings of Robert Ruark and John Taylor immortalized the cartridge. An obscure offering from Holland & Holland, this .40-caliber is usually revered by its users. But its not really about 300-grainers because, as suggested, its meat and potatoes load was a very reputable 400gr Kynoch solid. For the professional who makes his living driving fast cars in circles, or 2.5 mile road courses, he can use all that power, and more but for the commuter who is restrained by the speed cops, or urban gridlock, it amounts to no end of frustration and letdown. It looked good on paper, but there were immediate problems. In 1909 William Jeffery introduced the .404 Jeffery, a 400-grain bullet of .423-inch diameter. CZ makes a fine rifle, and Montana Rifle Company makes their DGR with a nice big muzzle brake that actually makes it quite comfortable to shoot. The 404 being .423" would have an edge on sectional density while the .458" would have slightly more frontal area. Use any of the high weight retaining bullets we have available now and I'd guess you'd not see measurable difference. And all of it from a 26-incher. Here are some performance figures for modern .458 Win Mag factory ammunition. The 404 uses more powder, which I guess is due to larger case capacity, and since velocities are similar, I suppose the 404 runs at lower pressure. I fitted it with a Redfield peep site and find that it shoots with great accuracy and with enough power to knock an animal so hard that it dies before it hits the ground . Yet, pushing a 400-grain bullet to 2,375 fps is a recipe thatll most certainly have great success in the field. [2] The cartridge is standardized by the C.I.P. Mag. "Mit Scharnier" MTM RLLD-50er Patronenbox fr .300/.458 Win Mag/.444 Marlin u.v.m grn/schwarz 8,50 . Like the .300 H&H, the .300 Winchester is designed to headspace off the belt, but the clever reloader can adjust the cartridge to headspace off the shoulder. Apr 11, 2012. The Jeffery design saw the light of day around 1909 (accounts vary), to mirror the ballistics of the earlier .450/400, but in a repeating rifle. One of the most popular match calibers, the 6,5mm bullet has excellent aerodynamic properties and good sectional density which give it good ballistic potential. Giant Killers: .45-Caliber Rifle Cartridges, https://www.garrettcartridges.com/penetration.html, https://www.garrettcartridges.com/modern4570.html. When a client shows up in camp with a Remington or a Weatherby in any caliber, you know the hunters experience probably does not extend past the clerk at the gun counter. I am selling because my situation has changed and won't be range shooting in the foreseeable future due to travel. Driving a 400-grain bullet to 2,050 fps, the .411-inch diameter bullets will give excellent penetration, making it a perfectly viable cartridge, even for elephant. Its blackpowder guise this threw a 325grain lead bullet at 1900fps would be best with! 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